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	<title>Comments on: What drives the Anti-Masons?</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.freemasoninformation.com/2009/06/what-drives-the-anti-masons/comment-page-1/#comment-1917</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this article. I&#039;d also like to sight the fact that to many, our successful gatherings and charity only makes other groups them jealous. It has been my experience in my lodge, that the men come together for practical reasons with little infighting. This is a contrast to other such groups, like my church that spend many hours bickering, and fussing over the tinniest scrap of &quot;power&quot;.

It is normally after the local Mason&#039;s lodge has a successful fundraiser, that the clergy looks at his own unsuccessful charity event and wishes for the same thing. It is also we who compete with other charities endorced by TV preaching heads, and in so doing we compete with there paycheck.  It&#039;s only natural that these men and women, who have forgotten the real reason for charity and ministry, bash us out of envy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this article. I&#8217;d also like to sight the fact that to many, our successful gatherings and charity only makes other groups them jealous. It has been my experience in my lodge, that the men come together for practical reasons with little infighting. This is a contrast to other such groups, like my church that spend many hours bickering, and fussing over the tinniest scrap of &#8220;power&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is normally after the local Mason&#8217;s lodge has a successful fundraiser, that the clergy looks at his own unsuccessful charity event and wishes for the same thing. It is also we who compete with other charities endorced by TV preaching heads, and in so doing we compete with there paycheck.  It&#8217;s only natural that these men and women, who have forgotten the real reason for charity and ministry, bash us out of envy.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by masonictraveler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by masonictraveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tasmanian Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tasmanian Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that your three categories are adequate to cover the field.  For example, what do you make of a book like &quot;The Lion  and the Covenant&quot;? This new mystery thriller includes a great deal of painstaking historical detail (accurate in all that I&#039;ve checked) to suggest that in the past some (senior British) Masons WERE involved in a significant conspiracy, concerning the Ark of the Covenant no less.  Yet at the same time the book includes a great deal of material correctly explaining Freemasonry and rebutting many criticisms (e.g. in the long Grand Master versus Kate dialogue). It also contains the development of several major Masonic themes and in fact the protagonist&#039;s progress appears to be a Masonic allegory, while near the end he &amp; his friends are rescued by what appears to be hidden but benign Masonic assistance.  Perhaps then there is not just &quot;us or them&quot; but some &quot;us and them interacting&quot; out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that your three categories are adequate to cover the field.  For example, what do you make of a book like &#8220;The Lion  and the Covenant&#8221;? This new mystery thriller includes a great deal of painstaking historical detail (accurate in all that I&#8217;ve checked) to suggest that in the past some (senior British) Masons WERE involved in a significant conspiracy, concerning the Ark of the Covenant no less.  Yet at the same time the book includes a great deal of material correctly explaining Freemasonry and rebutting many criticisms (e.g. in the long Grand Master versus Kate dialogue). It also contains the development of several major Masonic themes and in fact the protagonist&#8217;s progress appears to be a Masonic allegory, while near the end he &amp; his friends are rescued by what appears to be hidden but benign Masonic assistance.  Perhaps then there is not just &#8220;us or them&#8221; but some &#8220;us and them interacting&#8221; out there?</p>
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		<title>By: Magnum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol. You think if there was a real &#039;illuminati&#039; cum &#039;masonry&#039; global group, they&#039;d tell small tea-party-get-together lodge members what they are all about? 

You probably also believe that Saddam had WMD&#039;s and that Afghanistan was harboring Osama? 

One of those &#039;Our government doesn&#039;t lie to us, businesses are all honest, News casters can&#039;t be bought&#039; people?

I&#039;ll say one thing, for some people the comfort and mental peace attained by maintaining ignorance in a highly volatile and dangerous world is worth dieing for. It&#039;s not easy to face the fact that you might have been brainwashed by media as you were growing up. It&#039;s like being told you are adopted. It&#039;s much easier to keep a shut-eye and pretend it&#039;s all good. You&#039;ve adopted the easy route. 

Also, do you believe that the masonic symbols all being 100% directly related to pagan religions is just a coincidence? Or did the masons do that purposefully to create conspiracies for publicity? Wait, are you also an those extremist evolutionists who believes the entire universe and everything in it is a random coincidence? If so, that explains it lol. If everything is a coincidence, then what&#039;s a few symbols here there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol. You think if there was a real &#8216;illuminati&#8217; cum &#8216;masonry&#8217; global group, they&#8217;d tell small tea-party-get-together lodge members what they are all about? </p>
<p>You probably also believe that Saddam had WMD&#8217;s and that Afghanistan was harboring Osama? </p>
<p>One of those &#8216;Our government doesn&#8217;t lie to us, businesses are all honest, News casters can&#8217;t be bought&#8217; people?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing, for some people the comfort and mental peace attained by maintaining ignorance in a highly volatile and dangerous world is worth dieing for. It&#8217;s not easy to face the fact that you might have been brainwashed by media as you were growing up. It&#8217;s like being told you are adopted. It&#8217;s much easier to keep a shut-eye and pretend it&#8217;s all good. You&#8217;ve adopted the easy route. </p>
<p>Also, do you believe that the masonic symbols all being 100% directly related to pagan religions is just a coincidence? Or did the masons do that purposefully to create conspiracies for publicity? Wait, are you also an those extremist evolutionists who believes the entire universe and everything in it is a random coincidence? If so, that explains it lol. If everything is a coincidence, then what&#8217;s a few symbols here there.</p>
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		<title>By: Monnow Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monnow Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I advocate a policy of freemasons providing individual robust rebuttals of the nonsense put about on the net when they come across it. As long as, when getting into a comments debate on YouTube or some other forum as the masonic apologist:

- you keep your cool and resist the temptation to indulge in or respond to personal attacks, which will surely follow when you&#039;ve seen off their flimsy arguments with gentle, but firm and repetitive requests for evidence or logic.

- you understand that you will not be allowed to be seen to win the debate: the audience for anti-masonry is like a cult that believes without wanting the inconvenience of facts. Believing silly conspiracy theories about the &quot;360&quot; degrees of freemasonry makes them feel superior and you won&#039;t be allowed to deprive them of that feeling. Know therefore, when to exist gracefully without necessarily having the last word.

The more we are seen to be shy and retiring, the more the anti-masonic conspiracists will be able to claim that we are secretive because we are up to no good.

I do wonder if the grand lodges are doing enough. Yes, they will conduct rebuttals in newspapers putting right articles that make untrue claims, but this policy completely misses the younger YouTube generation who have never bought a newspaper and are becoming convinced that freemasonry is a branch of a secret society run by alien lizards bent on bringing about a sinister &quot;New World Order&quot;. Barking mad, but people do seem to believe this stuff and I would urge the Grand lodges to be much more proactive in tackling it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I advocate a policy of freemasons providing individual robust rebuttals of the nonsense put about on the net when they come across it. As long as, when getting into a comments debate on YouTube or some other forum as the masonic apologist:</p>
<p>- you keep your cool and resist the temptation to indulge in or respond to personal attacks, which will surely follow when you&#8217;ve seen off their flimsy arguments with gentle, but firm and repetitive requests for evidence or logic.</p>
<p>- you understand that you will not be allowed to be seen to win the debate: the audience for anti-masonry is like a cult that believes without wanting the inconvenience of facts. Believing silly conspiracy theories about the &#8220;360&#8243; degrees of freemasonry makes them feel superior and you won&#8217;t be allowed to deprive them of that feeling. Know therefore, when to exist gracefully without necessarily having the last word.</p>
<p>The more we are seen to be shy and retiring, the more the anti-masonic conspiracists will be able to claim that we are secretive because we are up to no good.</p>
<p>I do wonder if the grand lodges are doing enough. Yes, they will conduct rebuttals in newspapers putting right articles that make untrue claims, but this policy completely misses the younger YouTube generation who have never bought a newspaper and are becoming convinced that freemasonry is a branch of a secret society run by alien lizards bent on bringing about a sinister &#8220;New World Order&#8221;. Barking mad, but people do seem to believe this stuff and I would urge the Grand lodges to be much more proactive in tackling it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it seems, fiction is far more entertaining than reality to today&#039;s generation of Web Surfers... There are plenty of legitimate Lodge and Grand Lodge Web Sites, but browsing various discussion forums and BLOGS, one finds nothing but links to the disinformation on the Flim-flam and Conspiracy Spam Sites to make an argument against Freemasonry. How is an outsider to know the truth when it is buried deep in a pile of lies within the information super highway if there are no &quot;Apologists&quot; for the Fraternity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it seems, fiction is far more entertaining than reality to today&#8217;s generation of Web Surfers&#8230; There are plenty of legitimate Lodge and Grand Lodge Web Sites, but browsing various discussion forums and BLOGS, one finds nothing but links to the disinformation on the Flim-flam and Conspiracy Spam Sites to make an argument against Freemasonry. How is an outsider to know the truth when it is buried deep in a pile of lies within the information super highway if there are no &#8220;Apologists&#8221; for the Fraternity?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has struck me that what motivates some of these people is positioning freemasonry as an enemy in order to make their particular institution/set of beliefs look better. As Ed King puts it on masonicinfo.com, &quot;We need a villain - and you&#039;re it!&quot;

They have an advantage in that their audience is often conditioned to accepting wild claims (freemasonry is &quot;satanic&quot; etc.) without employing the least bit of critical thinking on their part. They have an audience used to believing things without evidence. If a preacher or other person in a place of authority says freemasonry is bad, it must, in their eyes, be so. 

There&#039;s that, plus the the very low quality threshhold many place on information found on the net. Controversial and scandalous claims are more appealing to the baser parts of our natures: the sites that offer such stuff necessarily jumps up Google&#039;s rankings when someone searches for &quot;freemasonry&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has struck me that what motivates some of these people is positioning freemasonry as an enemy in order to make their particular institution/set of beliefs look better. As Ed King puts it on masonicinfo.com, &#8220;We need a villain &#8211; and you&#8217;re it!&#8221;</p>
<p>They have an advantage in that their audience is often conditioned to accepting wild claims (freemasonry is &#8220;satanic&#8221; etc.) without employing the least bit of critical thinking on their part. They have an audience used to believing things without evidence. If a preacher or other person in a place of authority says freemasonry is bad, it must, in their eyes, be so. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s that, plus the the very low quality threshhold many place on information found on the net. Controversial and scandalous claims are more appealing to the baser parts of our natures: the sites that offer such stuff necessarily jumps up Google&#8217;s rankings when someone searches for &#8220;freemasonry&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Accuosti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Accuosti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:laughs:

I wrote something similar a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.masonictao.com/2007/08/go-take-pike.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;couple of years ago&lt;/a&gt;, in which I categorized them as the religious, the konspiracists, and the kooks. And even back when I started blogging, I wrote about the ways that some of them seem to create a conspiracy out of whole cloth. The religious antis are arguably the worst because they have an unassailable logic (of a sort) which is essentially: God tells me that Masons are evil, and if you try to prove differently, then it&#039;s just proof that Satan has entered your heart.&quot; They can&#039;t see the problem in the reasoning behind the (mistaken) idea that some Masons don&#039;t even know that they are praying to a &quot;false God.&quot; 

Of course, the idea that Baphomet is hijacking our spiritual WiFi just cracks me up.

More recently, I&#039;ve been following an anti-Mason thread on a religious group, and I&#039;ve been amazed at how many people can&#039;t make the connection between the things that the &quot;authorities&quot; are railing against, and the fact that they sell books and DVDs about those subjects for only $39.95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:laughs:</p>
<p>I wrote something similar a <a href="http://www.masonictao.com/2007/08/go-take-pike.html" rel="nofollow">couple of years ago</a>, in which I categorized them as the religious, the konspiracists, and the kooks. And even back when I started blogging, I wrote about the ways that some of them seem to create a conspiracy out of whole cloth. The religious antis are arguably the worst because they have an unassailable logic (of a sort) which is essentially: God tells me that Masons are evil, and if you try to prove differently, then it&#8217;s just proof that Satan has entered your heart.&#8221; They can&#8217;t see the problem in the reasoning behind the (mistaken) idea that some Masons don&#8217;t even know that they are praying to a &#8220;false God.&#8221; </p>
<p>Of course, the idea that Baphomet is hijacking our spiritual WiFi just cracks me up.</p>
<p>More recently, I&#8217;ve been following an anti-Mason thread on a religious group, and I&#8217;ve been amazed at how many people can&#8217;t make the connection between the things that the &#8220;authorities&#8221; are railing against, and the fact that they sell books and DVDs about those subjects for only $39.95.</p>
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